tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post2208952453392197821..comments2024-03-27T07:58:00.899-07:00Comments on Horror Movie A Day: A Serbian Film (2010)BChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06480847497966171794noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-14882870671479271792014-07-21T19:59:31.270-07:002014-07-21T19:59:31.270-07:00Heres the problem with everyone's outrage...th...Heres the problem with everyone's outrage...the things depicted in this film actually exist. I have friends who work in the investigative aspects of law enforcement and sadly every sick thing in this movie does happen (exploitation, sexual violence, incest, baby rape, etc.). If people are truly outraged by this movie and want to do something, stop watching porn. This industry has evolved into something so sinister that you can't support porn between consensual adult without inadvertently funding depraved shit that this film showsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-19680164039864550852012-09-07T03:04:28.934-07:002012-09-07T03:04:28.934-07:00There is a way for people who are too curious not ...There is a way for people who are too curious not to watch this film, but too wuss to watch with the full impact - yeah, like me. Before you get it in your computer (I won't tell how, but the word torrent comes to mind), just read as many spoilers as you can. The ultimate spoiler is always the wikipedia page, that tells every turn of the plot. If you know everything that is coming, the movie will still be pretty strong, but you won't be so repulsed.Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178412157475414461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-51149122777810391862011-12-23T09:11:52.578-08:002011-12-23T09:11:52.578-08:00I literally just finished watching this 15 minutes...I literally just finished watching this 15 minutes ago and am totally still processing, but I agree with most of what you said in your review. I also wanted to add that though the "political allegory" may very well be there and it may even work (MAY...I'm not sure) I actually think the film is most provocative in terms of its attitude towards and narrative about masculinity. Yes, I'm sort of obsessed with gender, but how can you not want to talk about masculinity after watching this? I feel like its the most pointed critique of "manhood" I've seen - or at least the most compelling engagement with the terror of being male and all that comes along with it. It reminds me of "Deadgirl" in the may that it takes one our most basic socially reinforced ideas - that men JUST LOVE TO FUCK and that men, they just HAVE TO STICK THEIR DICKS IN EVERYTHING and isn't that so nasty and kind of exciting but still isn't that naughty, those MEN - and turns it on its head, fucks with it, exaggerates it to such a degree that maybe, just maybe , we can recognize something essentially horrific about the whole idea in the first place....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-7880957121403870252011-05-20T00:36:39.789-07:002011-05-20T00:36:39.789-07:00Okay, seen it...
The unmasking.
Oh God - The unma...Okay, seen it...<br /><br />The unmasking.<br />Oh God - The unmasking!<br /><br />Much to my surprise, it is a decent film, but I will never, ever, watch it again, and it certainly isn't for everyone. <br /><br />If you thought "Saw 2" was too violent, or if you have to cover your eyes during the first half of "I spit on your grave" this is not for you. <br /><br />If the only horror you enjoy is the 'hero killer' type, where you root for the madman while he hacks his way through a line of cardboard cut outs masquerading as characters; this is not for you. <br /><br />Frankly, it not really for anyone, but if you think you want to be horrified, not scared, not shocked but actually shaken to your core HORRIFIED, you could do a lot worse than to see this film. <br /><br />But make sure that's genuinely what you want, because it can't be unseen.Will "Pyro" Tinglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214345327648994392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-14489454689609464142011-05-19T14:56:42.827-07:002011-05-19T14:56:42.827-07:00I watched this one at the Copenhagen film festival...I watched this one at the Copenhagen film festival back in April... I had read about it, and remembering the buzz about MARTYRS I really thought it couldn't be as horrible as "they" said is was... But I gotta admit, it really made an impact on me... I never considered leaving the theatre, but I surely understood the people who actually did leave... The "newborn porn" scene, and the "masked double rape" scene was just too much (I don´t have kids myself, but I work in a kindergarten, and I have a nephew)... The very graphic and realistic beheading was VERY overwhelming as well... <br /><br />Leaving the theatre I was pretty convinced I would NEVER see this movie again... I´m not so sure anymore... Reading a lot of comments (here and elsewhere), and getting a bit of distance, has made me come to think that it just might be interesting to see if the movie will still disgust me with those mentioned scenes a second time around...Abrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485430076366144373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-32527476186784609772011-05-18T02:22:41.060-07:002011-05-18T02:22:41.060-07:00Ah, okay. I see your point. But the "HMAD end...Ah, okay. I see your point. But the "HMAD ending one day" line is a buzzkill...LOL!Zillz82https://www.blogger.com/profile/02533787754625096116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-92153431809140893822011-05-17T18:50:16.238-07:002011-05-17T18:50:16.238-07:00The worst part of this whole thing is you implying...The worst part of this whole thing is you implying HMAD will end some day. Not cool, man. Not cool._LadyofShalott_https://www.blogger.com/profile/10268008303345540532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-57634451705836466032011-05-17T17:28:15.731-07:002011-05-17T17:28:15.731-07:00The purpose of a horror movie is to horrify, right...The purpose of a horror movie is to horrify, right? So then I guess this flick did its job on some of you. Me, I was bored. Kind of in the same way I was bored when I watched Hostel for the first time. I did love that scene with the guy and his eye socket. Funny stuff, that.<br /><br />I agree there really wasn't much point to it, but then most horror movies don't have one, so whatever. I did get a sense that the film makers were trying to say that Serbians are victims in some way, but there are enough Serbian war criminals that have been charged and who are sought after right now to show that they are not victims at all, but the victimisers. Read up on the Bosnian war which broke out in 1992, if you wish. Serbs committed genocide and attempted to wipe out Bosnians through ethnic cleansing. Not something victims do. If the film makers wanted to say that they were a nation afflicted with victim mentality, now that I could accept. Hateful people. Ask any Serb how he feels about Bosnia, or muslims, chances are you'd be met with the verbal flames of holy hell against them. It's pretty sad, really.<br /><br />But anyway, yeah, overall this movie didn't feel any different to me than stuff that is already out there. No big.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-77069661113167855212011-05-17T12:37:29.411-07:002011-05-17T12:37:29.411-07:00Hey Brian, a friend practically tied me down and m...Hey Brian, a friend practically tied me down and made me watch this film. It turns out I felt pretty much exactly the way you did. I told him it was well made but I didn't feel it was worth watching. It didn't scare me, give me anything edifying to walk away with, and the metaphor he tried to convey was murky at best. Some of the imagery did disturb me but ironically it was the decapitation that I found most challenging. Something about it not happening very quickly. I did come to care about the characters and liked the direction overall so I hope to see something new from the director that isn't so extreme.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-55435697902911537742011-05-17T10:51:54.186-07:002011-05-17T10:51:54.186-07:00So....I guess this is the wrong place to proclaim ...So....I guess this is the wrong place to proclaim SERBIAN as "The Feel Good Romantic Comedy of the Year!" huh?Joe Lynchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-30200859338425139302011-05-17T10:12:06.765-07:002011-05-17T10:12:06.765-07:00No, Zillz, I probably won't watch it again bec...No, Zillz, I probably won't watch it again because I don't have time to watch nearly ANY movies a 2nd or 3rd time anymore, and when I do, I opt for all time favorites or movies that are just plain fun to watch. I'll probably never watch Martyrs again either. Maybe when HMAD is done with and that sort of time presents itself to me, spending 2 hrs rewatching a dark, disturbing movie will sound enticing, but until then, no. Has nothing to do with any specific content - if I was so upset by anything in the movie that I couldn't bear the idea of watching it again, I probably would have walked out.BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06480847497966171794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-87133876169944091932011-05-17T05:51:52.108-07:002011-05-17T05:51:52.108-07:00When I heard about this movie, I was very curious ...When I heard about this movie, I was very curious about it just because of the controversy surrounding it [I'm a sucker for controversial movies lol]. I had it for a while before I saw it, then finally checked it out. And after seeing the uncut version of it, this is what I think: First off, I agree with you that the movie is well made [I'm getting sick of watching low budget movies on cheap digital cameras]. But here's the thing, it does go too far! Anytime you give a movie it's recognition, but then you say that you'll probably never watch it again, is really saying something imho. A movie that can only be seen once due to it's extreme subject matter & gore can't really be making that much of a statement besides the fact that it's extreme & gory. I don't usually make big deals out of gore & extreme subject matter [I absolutely loved "Martyrs"]at all. But I must say, the "child pornography" is waaaay too far & it is most likely why most who have see this won't watch it again. You take that aspect out of it, & it's a more watchable movie easily. BTW for all of those talking about the whole "Bootleg/illegal Download" ordeal, give me a break! Stop with the self- righteous "I'm better because I didn't download it" crap. Prove to me that you've never downloaded anything you shouldn't have, then after that, 1 yourself for lying!Zillz82https://www.blogger.com/profile/02533787754625096116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-82337927668213534232011-05-17T05:26:14.596-07:002011-05-17T05:26:14.596-07:00I like turtlesI like turtlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-67170151077069157702011-05-17T05:02:10.453-07:002011-05-17T05:02:10.453-07:00P.S., the fact that this Kolleen actually uses the...P.S., the fact that this Kolleen actually uses the word "grrrrl" without a hint of irony tells me all I need to know about this "person"loogenhausenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03161129706434700334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-52182252575536211082011-05-17T04:59:43.429-07:002011-05-17T04:59:43.429-07:00You know what's sad? Derivative horror crap sp...You know what's sad? Derivative horror crap spewed out every week gets a shrug or a pass. Movies with cartoonish violence without any consequence are lapped up or dismissed outright without much fanfare. But when a movie like this comes along and actually attempts to make you feel something - anything - there is such an outrage over it that it is almost pathetic. The people condemning others for liking this film are so woefully ignorant of why those people liked it that you just want to give them a hug and tuck them into bed with some warm milk. It's ok not to like a movie, but seriously, lay off the personal insults. It just makes you look like an immature, uneducated, knee-jerk reactionary sillybilly. This movie, in my opinion, transcends Martyrs or Inside and all of that because it's actually a commentary on something. But I guess according to some people it's ok to satirize something as long as a douche like Borat prances around with a silly accent but god forbid we broach social commentary like in A Serbian Film. That would actually require thinking on our part. Imagine that. And anyone who thinks this flick is pretentious is the most misinformed person on the planet.loogenhausenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03161129706434700334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-53231483475878268882011-05-17T02:15:29.797-07:002011-05-17T02:15:29.797-07:00Unfortunately, if you want to see great Serbian ho...Unfortunately, if you want to see great Serbian horror movies you need to go deep in the past:<br /><br />Leptirica (TV 1973) (The She-Butterfly)<br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0200800/<br /><br />Variola vera (1982) (Smallpox)<br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083275/<br /><br />Davitelj protiv davitelja (1985) (Strangler vs strangler)<br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087123/<br /><br />Vec vidjeno (1987) (Reflections)<br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094242/<br /><br />Not written by me, but here is a nice post about Serbian horror movies:<br />http://templeofghoul.blogspot.com/2010/01/serbian-horror-film.htmlJimbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-69192307961968376662011-05-17T02:14:36.184-07:002011-05-17T02:14:36.184-07:00Sounds interesting. I mean, compared to the likes ...Sounds interesting. I mean, compared to the likes of Hostel and such it sounds like it has more of a well thought out plot/character. Is there anything to compare with films of those vein, or is it higher-minded/produced? (I realize the location of production means it wouldn't have the same portrayal of its setting, but for the other aspects anyway)Dustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-76250418362213058792011-05-17T00:05:48.702-07:002011-05-17T00:05:48.702-07:00@Kolleen Your post showed up after I had typed tha...@Kolleen Your post showed up after I had typed that.<br /><br />You're absolutely right. As a single, white man there are somethings I'll never fully 'get' when they're represented on film or in narrative. I may understand and empathize but I won't 'feel' in the same way that someone who has a more significant biological relationship to the subject. So I do not begrudge you, and anyone else, their visceral and/or intellectual reaction to extreme subject matter. <br /><br />Moreover, you are absolutely right to speak up loudly and with righteousness about why this is a terrible thing. In the same way one is free (more or less) to produce crappy, provocative entertainment, we are free to call bullshit on it and express why we consider it vile. I'm doing the same with this Odd Future rape-as-shock-value bullshit everyone seems to be talking around. <br /><br />(I myself find it near impossible to deal with rape in art: I've never finished The Accused or Boy Don't Cry. I fast-forwarded through the first half of I Spit on Your Grave. No way am I touching Irreversible. I've turned off/walked out of/stopped reading any number of fictional works had graphic depictions of rape. It's something so awful to me that even with serious purpose or artfully done, 8 times out of 10 I can't stomach it.)<br /><br />But, likewise, as you yourself say, you're not Serbian. You're not the filmmaker. It's not up to you to say what they were or weren't trying to accomplish, what experiences they are speaking to. You can only speak to your reaction. Even if they come out and say, 'Ha ha! Trolled. Lulz.' or it turns out they were little kids or college students sheltered from the genocide occurring during their youth (which from all accounts was more horrible than most of us can comprehend) that doesn't mean the film is out-of-hand without merit or without greater meaning. You know, Birth of a Nation and whatnot.<br /><br />I don't doubt this is a hateful film that should be called out for the trash it is. But do that for reasons you can reasonably argue. 'Cause when you ascribe the writer, director, producers, actors, et al motivations you can't possibly know to buttress your argument the whole foundation becomes pretty flimsy. Frankly, it comes off as hyperbole and reactionary.<br /><br />Also, I'll be 'that dick' and point out, that if, per your last last sentence, you're saying you or a friend downloaded the version that you watched, than either A) you thought you might like it/were morbidly curious and wanted to see it or B) you already knew you were going to hate it and not pay for it on principle. If it's A I wonder why you didn't wait until it was released like the rest of the punters; if it's B then I have to wonder why you bothered. In either case, you apparently bootlegged the movie and so, no matter how you justify it with your outrage after the fact, you might want to temper your moral righteousness a wee bit.C. Pufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02476978217346435356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-56712265847927487022011-05-16T23:41:20.557-07:002011-05-16T23:41:20.557-07:00Thank you, Kolleen, for once again proving why any...Thank you, Kolleen, for once again proving why anyone who claims to be a "writing major" - does such a major even exist at any college? - is to be immediately ignored.<br /><br />Brian, I disagree with some of your assessments. I don't think that you need to know any amount of Serbian history - even what's offered in the narrative - to understand what Vukmir is trying to sell Milos. In fact, I think the key for the audience is to AGREE with Milos that it's total batshit crazy psychopathy and not worth consideration. By going that route, you side with Milos and you're able to empathize with what he's been through, even though he put himself in the situation. It's a nightmare, only to be revealed in hindsight, and I think that's all the metaphor that's necessary.<br /><br />I think that's also the key to understanding the last line, which I don't think is overkill at all (but which is impossibly vile). THAT is where the commentary on Serbia itself really hit home for me and I actually understood what the filmmakers were going for. I can't get into it more without being spoiler-heavy, but suffice to say it put a cap on all the things Vukmir had been bubbling idiotically - or perhaps not so much - for the entire movie.<br /><br />On all other fronts though, I agree. And my entire reason for wanting to watch the movie was that I really couldn't believe, from what I was hearing, that there was any merit to this film whatsoever. But like you I found it not only technically and narratively sound but actually excellent, and though I'll never watch it again...well, I guess saying that I'm "glad" I watched it isn't the right term, but as a film fan I am glad it's part of my lexicon.Geoff LaTulippenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-45131321853262570862011-05-16T23:17:00.570-07:002011-05-16T23:17:00.570-07:00I ae reader usually know as 'pyro' by the ...I ae reader usually know as 'pyro' by the way...Will "Pyro" Tinglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214345327648994392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-24692124826015694962011-05-16T22:56:46.618-07:002011-05-16T22:56:46.618-07:00Kolleen,
I havn't seen this film, so I will n...Kolleen,<br /><br />I havn't seen this film, so I will neither be defending or persecuting it on it's merits, but I will say that I am STRONGLY anti-censorship; IMHO if no people or animals are harmed in real life in the making of a movie (or any other artform) then anything goes - I may not enjoy it, or may choose not to wath it, but the film-makers are within their rights to fake whatever they want, and everyone else it entitled to love it, hate it or ignore it. <br /><br />I am however slightly confused by your comments. <br /><br />You admit that you did not pay to see this film, but qualify that with a 'for once', so I assume we are to understand that you do not usual condone piracy. <br /><br />You also justify your decision not to pay, using the content of te film, and your outrage at same. <br /><br />This is where I get confused: did you know you were going to be outraged BEFORE you saw it?<br /><br />If so, why the he'll did you watch; and if not, then how did you arrive at your decision to watch a pirate copy (given that your outrage is the justification for doing so)? Just a thought...<br /><br />I think I'll add this one to my 'watch' list; I'm planning a 'video nasty a week' blog, and every now and then I plan on making an exeption and making my weekly film NOT something from the DPP list, rather something in that vein that either escaped the wrath of the DPP at the time, or was released too late; this sounds like it would fit the bill perfectly!Will "Pyro" Tinglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214345327648994392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-59352894755700867292011-05-16T22:46:28.705-07:002011-05-16T22:46:28.705-07:00Funny, I'm the Bizzaro World version of the as...Funny, I'm the Bizzaro World version of the asshat you describe at the end of this post: Without having seen it I found myself defending this movie. I was compelled to respond on some douchenozzle's video blog comments after he had given the most superficial and hypocritical dismissal to the pirated version he had no doubt downloaded. (I don't think he pushed the comment.) Honestly, I doubt I going to dare myself to sit through this, but I am morbidly fascinated by transgressive cinema despite not having much of a stomach for it. Thusly I was interested by this and began digging through the web to find out more. (Hint: If you're not spoiler averse, knowing a good deal of the plot and watching the early, long Euro trailer will give you I think a good visual sense of what's in store.) So by the time I got to this blowhard's discursive drivel I had a good sense of what was in the movie, and sensed that his sputtering was pretty far off the mark. This particular numbnuts makes a huge show out of how Caligula (yes, that Caligula) is his favorite movie, but is nonetheless certain that dudes behind A Serbian Film had no greater aims than to get away with the most vile stuff they could. What really irked me was he claimed the same thing about Salo and Craven's Last House... That the intellectual and technical accomplishments of those films were mere ruse so they could just film some perverted shit. Now, those are both some vile movies, but they're not without purpose. And even without having seen A Serbian Film the quality is obvious. From what I understand the makers are very up front about working in the exploitation tradition, just as they're commenting on the horrors their country endured; one does not preclude the other. Just because Romero thought it would cool to have a head cut off by a helicopter doesn't mean he didn't have other things on his mind.<br /><br />I'll go so far as to say that the subtext of a movie (book, comic, whatever) is not contingent on what the filmmaker's overtly intended. For instance, I have some strange ideas of what Beetlejuice is _really_ about. I've also heard some great readings of The Shining that made me rethink my opinions on that movie. But that is as murky an argument as aesthetics. <br /><br />In the end I'm not going to the mat for a movie I probably won't see and no doubt would find more morally troubling than I already do. But do not preach to me about how everyone involved is bad person and are misrepresenting their intentions and that anyone who isn't as offended must be a broken and/or sick. You really have no idea. And if you do, make that case, don't pass your shock and outrage as the only reasonable moral opinion. In world where Kick Ass is fun, hip entertainment, where Odd Future are having smoke blown up their asses by everyone and their editor, where horror fans have no problem with the August Underground series and other pseudo snuff videos, it seems a little disingenuous to pretend that this is the nadir of morally complicated entertainment.C. Pufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02476978217346435356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-89535903666198642222011-05-16T22:40:55.344-07:002011-05-16T22:40:55.344-07:00The more people are outraged, the more people watc...The more people are outraged, the more people watch. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-75094384176457838682011-05-16T22:03:54.964-07:002011-05-16T22:03:54.964-07:00Daaaamn, you mad huh?Daaaamn, you mad huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5110147752122772426.post-60441907476045787042011-05-16T21:37:56.292-07:002011-05-16T21:37:56.292-07:00yeah fuck you brian collins, fuck you up your stup...yeah fuck you brian collins, fuck you up your stupid asses. this movie is shit. it's not some morally questionable but technically awesome flick, it's shit. fuck you douche bag. eat a cock fucker and continue to be so dead inside that infant rape doesnt bother you. ps.<br />you spoil every god damn movie in your reviews. fuck off LA wannabe filmmaker that makes a living working on credits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com